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Brian Lehrer: A Daily Politics Podcast

An Open Dialogue About Open Dialogue: Elie Mystal and Suzanne Nossel On How To Think About “Cancel Culture”

Brian Lehrer: A Daily Politics Podcast

WNYC Studios

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4.4678 Ratings

🗓️ 30 March 2022

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

The questions of free speech, racial equity and "cancel culture" are multilayered and complex.

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0:00.0

I'm Brian Lehrer. This is my daily politics podcast from WNYC Studios. It's Wednesday, March 30th.

0:14.2

A funny thing happened recently on the way to the usual left-right debate on cancel culture.

0:20.3

The New York Times editorial board took

0:22.6

the position that it's a problem. It said America has a free speech problem in large part because

0:28.0

left and right are caught in a destructive loop of condemnation and recrimination about the topic

0:34.4

of cancel culture itself. The Times editorial board wrote,

0:38.5

Many on the left refused to acknowledge that cancel culture exists at all,

0:43.1

believing that those who complain about it are offering cover for bigots to peddle hate speech.

0:48.7

Many on the right, for all their braying about cancel culture,

0:52.2

have embraced an even more extreme version of

0:54.5

censoriousness as a bulwark against a rapidly changing society with laws that would ban

1:00.3

books, stifle teachers, and discourage open and open discussion in classrooms.

1:06.0

So that from the New York Times, just yesterday, we led the show with an analysis of Florida's new

1:12.4

education law, derisively known as Don't Say Gay. A Times poll that they published in conjunction

1:18.7

with the editorial found nearly half of people surveyed said they feel less free to talk about

1:24.7

politics than they did a decade ago. The Times poll found slightly more

1:29.0

Republicans than Democrats said they have held their tongues recently for fear of harsh criticism,

1:35.3

and more women have than men. Sixty-one percent of women cited not feeling free to speak about

1:40.8

something compared to 49 percent of men. But then, of course, there's Andrew Cuomo.

1:47.0

Cancel culture says, if you don't agree with me,

1:52.0

and my point of view, then you should be canceled.

1:57.0

They do it through social media.

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