An MI6 agent's journey from spy to killer
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The Times
3.9 • 1.6K Ratings
🗓️ 10 May 2023
⏱️ 36 minutes
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Summary
A British man was recruited by MI5 and MI6 to infiltrate al-Qaeda training camps – but then brought the horror back home.
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| 0:00.0 | M.I.5 and M.I.6, the intelligence agencies that protect the country from threats at home |
| 0:18.4 | and abroad have always been cloaked in mystery. |
| 0:24.0 | The government didn't even confirm that M.I.6, or the Secret Intelligence Service, existed |
| 0:30.6 | until 1994, so it's extremely rare outside of fiction to get a glimpse of how they operate |
| 0:40.0 | until you hear a story like this. |
| 0:44.3 | There's this sort of filmic caricature of what a spy looks and sounds like. |
| 0:51.2 | There may not be a verse to Martini's and sitting in airport lounges wearing aviators |
| 0:57.1 | and then there's the reality of it. |
| 1:00.7 | That reality is murkier. |
| 1:04.0 | Today's story, which involves scenes of extreme violence that might not be suitable for all |
| 1:09.8 | listeners, only came to light because of the death of a child. |
| 1:16.3 | It raises serious questions about how M.I.5 and M.I.6 treat their intelligence assets, |
| 1:23.2 | the people they recruit, and the risks they ask them and their families to take on behalf |
| 1:30.4 | of the country. |
| 1:32.2 | It's such a crazy world report on, I mean, you are in a hall of mirrors where you know |
| 1:38.4 | that literally every person involved was trained in lies, deceit and deception. |
| 1:51.4 | You're listening to stories of our times from the times and the Sunday times. |
| 1:56.0 | I'm Manvine Rano. |
| 1:57.9 | Today, an M.I.6 agents journey from spy to killer. |
| 2:17.3 | My name's Gabriel Pogrand. |
| 2:18.6 | I'm the Whiteful Editor at the Sunday Times. |
| 2:22.4 | And Gabriel, your latest story is astonishing investigation you've done. |
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