Hey everybody, welcome to the Bridgetown Church podcast, John Mark Homer here on Good Friday.

You may not listen to this on Good Friday, but we are recording for Good Friday a day that

followers of Jesus all over the world pause to go deep into the soul and reflect on Jesus

and specifically on his death and his suffering to get in touch with the pain and suffering of death

and disease in the world as a way to move forward to Easter and all that comes on the other side.

And as an offering on Good Friday, I had just had a little idea. I'm sitting here with Tristan

Collins, who along with her husband John Collins is the co-author of Why Emotions Matter. What's the

subtitle Tristan to your book? Listening to the signals of your body, discover and embody

spirituality and growing emotional tells me. It makes me not feel as bad that I could not remember

the subtitle. If you the author can't remember the subtitle, that makes me feel better. I have

read it. Happy to help. It's wonderful. A lot of people in our church are reading it, John and

Tristan are in our community. And it's similar, I think, different, but similar to emotionally

healthy spirituality. Yes. But a little bit more psychological and a little bit more theological,

which makes sense. Your therapist and your husband John is the co-founder of Bible Project.

And brilliant mind, kind of Bible nerd, you know, intellect, kind of guy. And together you're just,

you're so different. It reminds me, I mean, different personalities. But my wife and I are polar

opposites. Yeah. And I don't know if that's true, but my impression of you and John is polar opposites.

Feeler versus thinker, definitely. Yes. 110%. I love both of you guys. And, you know, I think what

inspired our conversation today was a few weeks ago, there was that article going around from

the Harvard Business Review by Scott Burrinto, the discomfort you're feeling is grief. Yes.

And when I read that, it put language to a lot of what I was feeling. I just was feeling,

in particular, in the first few weeks, and still after kind of shelter in place and everything

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