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This has been an incredible four years. We've accomplished so much together.

There had been fierce speculation about whether the military would have to remove Donald Trump

from the White House. But when he left, addressing a small crowd of his staff and family,

before boarding the presidential plane down to Florida, it was more with a whimper than a bang.

I want to thank all of the great people of Washington DC, all of the people that we

worked with to put this miracle together. So have a good life. We will see you soon.

Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.

Nobody believed that was the last we'd see of Donald Trump. But nobody knew what would come next.

He has continued to persist in this belief that the election was stolen. That is derangement.

One man did more than most to lift the lid on the chaos of the Trump White House in a devastating

series of books. The first, an international bestseller prompted a barrage of legal threats.

Lawyers representing President Trump are threatening a lawsuit to prevent the publication of Michael

Wolf's new book, Fire and Fury, Inside the Trump White House. So it was quite a shock when Michael

Wolf, one of Donald Trump's most hated writers, was invited down to Mar-a-Lago to interview

the man himself. You're listening to stories of our times from the times in the Sunday times.

I'm Manvin Rana. Today, Michael Wolf, Inside the Mind of Donald Trump.

Michael Wolf's first two books, Fire and Fury, Inside the Trump White House,

and Siege, Trump Under Fire, made headlines around the world for their revelations about the chaos

unfolding in the Oval Office. They also made headlines for drawing some fire and fury of their

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