So I think there's two parts to this. One is I have made a strong case. There's three parts.

One is I've made a strong case that Trump needs to codify a lot of this stuff.

What has been done by executive order can be undone by executive order.

They codified some things in the big beautiful bill.

But they need to lock in a lot of these wins so they can't be undone.

That's number one. Number two, on a personal level, if you have screwed Trump over in the

final two years, Katie barred the door, baby, because he's coming. And then number three is,

I think that there's got to be an aspect and a transition to what comes next. And I believe

that right now that's J.D. Vance is to lose.

Yeah. what comes next. And I believe that right now, that's J.D. Vance is to lose. I'm Dave Rubin, and joining me today is former White House Press Secretary, now turned

podcaster extraordinaire, and author of the new bestselling book, Trump 2.0, The Revolution that

will permanently transform America. My friend, Sean Spicer, welcome back to the Ruber

Report. It is nice to be with you, and I must say, my friend, in an age of panikins and

in an age of doom-slappers and terrible maxers and all the rest of it,

your book is rather refreshing because it gets to the core of what I've been trying to explain to people,

which I actually think most of America and certainly most of MAGA understands,

which is that Trump is doing a lot of good stuff. And some of it takes a

little time and some of it's unorthodox. But the basic premise for the book is that this was

the plan, in essence. Maybe it was slightly delayed, but he's doing the things he set out to do.

So maybe why don't, why don't we start by rewinding?

For the period, the rather short period that you were press secretary, did you think he had

the plan?

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