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The Conversation with Dasha Burns

An insider’s look into Putin’s long game

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

News, Politics, Government

4.01.6K Ratings

🗓️ 4 March 2022

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

More than a week into the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin has escalated his military offensive. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has rallied international support for a major resistance. And major Western powers have isolated Russia by imposing devastating economic sanctions that leave Putin without an obvious off-ramp. There is no end in sight to the war on the ground. But there’s another war being fought in parallel through news interviews, social media posts and open source data: the information war. And it’s happening well beyond Ukraine’s borders. Today, Playbook author Ryan Lizza talks with CNN senior international correspondent Matthew Chance, who’s on the ground in Ukraine, and former White House National Security Adviser Tom Donilon about the relationship between warzone dispatches and Washington policy.  Ryan Lizza is a Playbook co-author for POLITICO.Matthew Chance is a senior international correspondent for CNN.Tom Donilon is a former National Security Advisor in the Obama Administration.Kara Tabor is a producer for POLITICO audio.Carlos Prieto is a producer for POLITICO audio.Jenny Ament is the senior producer for POLITICO audio. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I know that Zalinsky and the people around him wanted their president to speak directly

0:05.8

to the American people.

0:07.7

And because CNN has been so prominent on this story, I think it was the obvious choice

0:13.6

for them to go with me.

0:14.9

They know me.

0:15.9

I'm in their face all the time.

0:18.3

We got a location we had to go to in a car, into our own car there.

0:22.9

If you've been watching coverage of the war in Ukraine, you might recognize that voice.

0:28.2

Then we got out the car with some military forces came up and put us into another car.

0:33.4

And then we went into an internal yard in a building complex.

0:37.8

And then we went underground, got it by foot.

0:40.8

Matthew Chants is a senior international correspondent for CNN.

0:45.7

He's been covering the war from Kiev this week.

0:48.9

He interviewed the president of Ukraine for Little Mirror Zalinsky in his bunker in the capital

0:54.6

as an ominous 40-mile long column of Russian troops and tanks approached the city.

0:59.8

There's no electricity, sandbags everywhere.

1:02.1

I was totally disorientated by the time I got to.

1:04.2

I was dizzy by the time I got to the actual place.

1:07.8

You know, and then eventually, President Zalinsky turned up in his car key military fatigues,

1:12.6

looking, frankly, like he hadn't slept a wink for a week.

1:17.4

In international conflicts, there's often a single TV journalist who becomes the face of the war.

1:22.9

The person who shapes how Americans understand the conflict.

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