Welcome back to the Michael Knowles show. I'm Michael Knowles. I recently sat down with my friend Kenny Zoo. Kenny has a book out on an inconvenient minority. You know, the left wants to blame white people for every problem in the world.

And they blame white supremacy and whiteness and we need to abolish it and we need affirmative action to disadvantage the white people. But what about?

What about the Asians? You know affirmative action harms Asians as well.

Yeah, Asian they just don't seem to fit the left racial narrative. So I sat down with Kenny who's got a tremendous new book out on what this means for the left's racial views.

Every ill of society from inequality, injustice in the prison system, in the workforce, in the universities, probably your sickness and diseases is caused by one thing.

White supremacy, that's what we're told. White supremacy is the cause of all the ev, we are in a systematically racist country and that is why we need certain policies that will disadvantage whites and give advantages to other racial groups.

Okay, you know, you probably don't agree with that assessment of everything, but you will agree that is what is going on. But there's a really strange fact about this regime of affirmative action and legal racial discrimination.

Namely, everything is allegedly, all the terrible things are caused by white supremacy and yet Asians get punished as well.

The Asians, I guess, became white somehow. So in order to attack white supremacy, you're going to disadvantage Asians in university admissions, most notably, but in other institutions and in the workplace as well.

I can't wrap my head really around any of it, but certainly not around that aspect. So here to help me make some sense of it is Kenny Shoe. You may have read his writing in the federalist in Kuala'th.

He is the president of Colorless United and he is the author of a really terrific upcoming book, an inconvenient minority of the attack on Asian American excellence and the fight for meritocracy.

Kenny, thank you for coming on.

Thank you, Michael, for having me. So Kenny, look, as a swar the American, there's a hyphen between the Y and the A, as a swar the American, I understand the aspects of whiteness and I understand the aspects of non-whiteness and I know the supremacy and whatever.

How the hell did Asians get lumped in with all of this?

Because we were too successful. That's what happens. There's really no other way to explain it. Asian Americans came to this country.

They were heavily discriminated against. You know, Chinese exclusion, Japanese internment, you know, in California, California was actually a state where a lot of black Americans went to seek emancipation and freedom.

And yet at the same time in California, Asian Americans were often treated cruelly and very viciously. And so that was actually an example of a time in a place where Asian Americans were actually treated even cruelly and relegated even lower on the racial hierarchy than black Americans in California at the time.

So look, Asian Americans have experienced discrimination, but they've still managed to succeed in this country and actually they're doing quite well.

They have higher socioeconomic indicators, higher rates of education than even white Americans in this country.

They show that this country cannot still be a country that's founded upon white supremacy because if it was founded upon white supremacy, why did it let all of these Asian Americans get ahead of them?

Right, because I guess the theory of white supremacy is that the social structure of the United States is now and has always been constructed such that really only whites can succeed.

And every other racial group that is not white is kept down in terms of social flourishing, personal flourishing, terms of professional accomplishment in terms of academics, and so on.

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