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My name is Alex Doherty and my guest today is Amber Hussein.

We spoke about Amber's new book, Meat Love, and Ideology of the Flesh.

We talked about whether it's possible for there to be such a thing as ethical meat,

why Amber thinks veganism need not be solely about lifestyle and personal consumption choices, and not be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be such a thing as ethical meat. Why Amber thinks veganism need not be solely about lifestyle and personal consumption choices,

as is commonly argued by left critics of veganism.

And we also talked about King Charles, Hugh Fernley Whittingstall,

and other lovers of small-scale animal farming,

and how they invoke notions of love and care, classical tragedy and the timeless circle

of life to argue for the continued consumption of animal flesh.

Today's episode is brought to you by PTO supporters on Patreon and also by Verso Books,

who have lots of great left-wing titles, perfect for PTO listeners.

One you might like to check out is

Free Them All, a feminist call to abolish the prison system by Gwynola Recordo.

How does the criminal justice system affect women's lives? Do prisons keep women safe?

Should feminists rely on policing and the law to achieve women's liberation?

The mainstream feminist movement has called on prisons, the legal system and the state

to protect women from misogynist violence.

This carceral approach to feminism, activist and scholar Gwynola Recordo argues, does not make

women safer. It harms women, including victims of violence,

and in particular people of colour, poor people and LGBT people. Her new book, Free Them All,

A Feminist Call to Abolish the Prison System, draws from two decades as an abolitionist,

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