I've gone from being spat at to being punched, to being hugged, to be an embrace to have my hand shaken. And that process is now where the country's at. My cousin, when she was 14, my cousin was 14, she woke up naked in a house in Berry Park being raped by loads of bearded men. Remember, 7-7 bomb plot, they picked up their bombs in Luton. A fertilizer bomb plot, come out of Luton. Stokholm bomber, come out of Luton. Luton was named by the CIA as the epicenter of terrorist atrocities and the planning for Europe. And that's why I kept asking people, what would you do? Tommy, when you look back at some of your behaviour, do you think that it's tarnished your message? I had no option, right? Do you think I want to be out fighting? So I don't want to be out. Well, I do, though, Tommy? You're a football hooligan, right? No, I'm 42 years old. But you see what I'm saying? In the Quran, 7% of mine camp is due hatred. 7% 11% of that book. MineCamp is banned. This isn't banned. This is taught across the whole country. If they want to implement real hate speech laws, this would be banned. Relax. Relax. This is not an ad. I just wanted to let you know that you can watch this video without any advertising at all. No interruptions, no pop-ups, nothing. Just go to Triggerpod.com.

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with exclusive bonus content ad-free. Tommy, been a long time coming, mate. Thank you for being here.

So what? We've got a long conversation ahead of us.

Lots to talk about recently. You just said before we started it has been the worst week of your life.

We, just so people know, we were supposed to interview last week. The more I'm getting ready in the

evening thinking about how we're going to do this interview, because it's in the morning the next day.

And I'm, and then there's a video of you standing next to a guy who's clearly just been

knocked out. I'm going, he's probably not going to turn up tomorrow, didn't turn up. Here you are.

Before we get into all that, though, the one thing that I think is really important is for us

just to understand for our audience and for ourselves, what's your

story and who you are and how you got here, right? And I think that's a really big part of it that

gets missed very often. People kind of have an idea about you, as I once did, by the way. I will say

this, right? But they don't not have the full picture. So let's talk about that. Tell us

how, why you were here. So that idea, I remember 2015 was the first chance I got to give a

presentation of my life. And it was at Oxford University. Yeah. I walked into Oxford University.

Everyone hated me. I was getting booed, shouted at, screamed that. You know, when you go to Oxford

University debating society, you get a free course meal. I didn't get any of that, yeah? I just got invited in, but by the end of the presentation, I've got a standard innovation. And all the people there said, I didn't know any of this, yeah? And I brought them back every time to growing up in Luton. Because I remember saying to the audience, I don't know where you grew up, But please picture yourself. I'm going to tell you my story, what I saw growing up, what happened to my family members, all the changes I saw, and then ask yourself what you would have done? Keep asking yourself, what would you do if you saw this? So yeah, I was born in 1982 in Luton Town. My mum was an Irish immigrant, Tulum. She's one of eight from a eight from a poor family. And I grew up in a town that is one of the most diverse and multicultural towns in Europe, actually, in Europe. So I saw firsthand what it's like to grow up in a multicultural community, but also what it's like in a town that when I was born, had one mosque in 1982 and now has

45. So we're nearly at 50% Pakistani population of Muslims, and I saw the problems from that.

And I spoke about them, and I guess when people say I'm guilty of things, I'd say, yeah,

I'm guilty of being a decade ahead. But that's not because I had some golden light bulb or could

see into the future. I just saw my hometown. I saw from growing up as a child to what had happened.

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