An Extraordinary Introduction to the Birth of Israel and the Arab-Israeli Conflict (with Haviv Rettig Gur)

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🗓️ 18 December 2023

⏱️ 101 minutes

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Israeli journalist Haviv Rettig Gur takes us on a deep dive into the origins of Israel--how European Jew-hatred gave birth to Zionism and the founding of the Jewish state in 1948. He then turns to the rise of Palestinian terrorism and explains why the Palestinian experience and the Israeli experience are so incompatible. Along the way, Gur places the Holocaust in a much broader European context. I learned an immense amount from this conversation and hope you do, too.

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0:00.0	Welcome to Econ Talk, Conversations for the Curious, part of the Library of Economics and Liberty.
0:08.0	I'm your host Russ Roberts of Shalem College in Jerusalem and Stanford University's Hoover Institution. Go to Econ Talk. in to today's conversation. You'll also find our archives with every episode we've done
0:24.5	going back to 2006. Our email address is mail at econ talk.org we'd love to hear from you. Today is November 16, 2023.
0:37.0	My guest is journalist Haviv Retigur.
0:40.0	My guest is journalist Haviv Retig Gurk, his last name is Gour. G-U-R.
0:47.0	Haviv is a senior analyst for the English language newspaper at the Times of Israel.
0:51.5	Lviv welcome to Econ Talk.
0:53.0	Hi, thanks for having me.
0:55.0	It's good to be here.
0:56.0	We have two topics for today.
0:58.0	The first, we're going to take an historical look at European Jew hatred, anti-Semitism.
1:03.5	And the second is the current situation here in Israel
1:06.7	as the Warren Gaza enters at 6th week
1:09.0	and we'll see some of the ties between those two events.
1:13.0	The first part of the conversation is based on a column we'll link to you did back in April
1:17.1	of this year, long before the war, and it stuck with me.
1:20.8	I thought about asking you to do an interview on it even before the war.
1:24.5	That piece was called the forgotten horrors that hide in the Holocaust's long dark shadow.
1:30.3	And you begin by saying, the Holocaust has thought
1:33.1	I was this terrible unique catastrophe for the Jews, and of course that's
1:36.2	true in some sense, but the genocidal uniqueness is a bit
1:39.7	misleading. You write, quote, the 20th century was already among the bloodiest periods in Jewish history
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