The first conversation was literally, let me tell you about the time that your high school

headmaster offended me back when we were both in high school and he was just so adamant about

telling me how much he hated this guy and I thought it was really funny but like every

time I've talked to Tucker there's always this sense of like let me tell you about someone I really

really really hate and that sense of resentment I think drives a lot of what he does.

I'm John Favreau.

Welcome to offline.

I'm John Favreau.

I'm Max Fisher.

And you just heard from today's guest tina Wen

puk news is national correspondent covering the magga movement

uh... so we talked a lot here about online radicalization and how the internet has helped

transform the conservative movement and media ecosystem

into a clown show that runs the gamut from trollish reactionaries to neo-Nazis.

There's a lot of money in it. Have we considered launching a radicalization

MACA show? That's keeping that idea on the shelf. So Tina was there when it all

started. She was a Libertarian from Boston who kicked off her career in the slogs of right-wing media and escaped a few

years before Trump arrived on the scene but she worked with and was mentored by some of

the very worst characters from that world, most notably Tucker Carlson.

These days, Tina has turned on her former colleagues and is trying to help the rest of us

understand what makes these people tick. Her new book, The Magadires, is more of a coming-of-age memoir that tells the inside story

of how the conservative movement recruits and nurtures young talent, how the media ecosystem

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