Welcome to Emergence Magazine's podcast.

I'm Emmanuel Vaughn Lee, host of this show, an executive editor of Emergence Magazine,

located on the unseated ancestral lands of the Coast Mewalk people in present-day Marin County.

Each week, we feature interviews, stories, poetry, and author-narrated essays, exploring the threads connecting ecology, culture, and spirituality.

Here in the West, many of our beliefs revolve around the idea that the self is radically separate from the world around it,

and that the wild and the living earth

is something entirely detached from our being,

something occurring around us, at a distance from us.

Many of the stories we share and the conversations we have in emergence

are both a challenge and a response to this,

and are often asking how would our

response in the ecological crisis be different if we could comprehend that our own consciousness

is as wild as the breathing earth around us this week we revisit my conversation with poet

translator and author david, who, in his book

Wild Mind, Wild Earth, argues the need for a transformation of our definitions of self and nature.

Reaching back to a time when cultures were built around a reference for the Earth, David

proposes that the sixth extinction we now face

is rooted in philosophical assumptions about our separation from the living world. As he urges

a reweaving of mind and landscape, he offers an ethics tempered by love and kinship as a way

to navigate our era of disconnection.

David, I want to start our conversation today by asking you to read a poem.

The poem that underpins much of what you explore

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