Welcome to Emergence Magazine's podcast.

I'm Emanuel Vaughn Lee, executive editor of Emergence Magazine,

located on the unseated ancestral lands of the Coast Miwok people of present-day Marin County.

Each week we feature a new interview, narrated essay, or story, exploring the threads connecting ecology, culture, and spirituality.

As we examine the root causes of our ecological crisis, we come to recognize our response requires a shift in consciousness,

to move past the patterns of exploitation and separation

that define our present relationship with the Earth.

A radical transformation of our assumptions about the world is needed.

Poet, translator, and author David Hinton,

whose works are informed by ancient Chinese philosophy

and deep ecological thought, advocates for a return to a deep kinship between humans

and the earth as a way to ground our modern environmental movement. In his latest book, Wild

Mind, Wild Earth, Hinton looks to the ancient modes of seeing and being,

the practices of John Buddhism, the insights of indigenous cultures and romantic poets, and the

nature of our Paleolithic ancestors, as a way to rewire and rewild our consciousness.

I recently spoke with Hinton about his new book,

about reweaving consciousness and landscape,

and how a wild mind in which there is no separation

between humans and nature might help us navigate the sixth extinction

with an ethics tempered by love.

David, I want to start our conversation today by asking you to read a poem.

The poem that underpins much of what you explore in your new book, Wild Mind, Wild Earth,

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