An Epic Debate on Ukraine and US Foreign Policy (Robert Wright & Fred Kaplan)

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🗓️ 10 January 2023

⏱️ 110 minutes

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Summary

2:17 Why are so many people (including Fred) down on John Mearsheimer? 15:21 Bob: Explaining bad behavior is not the same as justifying it 30:16 How the US eroded international law—and why it matters 44:16 Did US policy make Russia’s invasion of Ukraine more likely? 58:06 NATO’s role in Ukraine before the invasion 1:21:31 How would the US respond to a China-Mexico military alliance? 1:34:08 Henry Kissinger’s peace proposal 1:42:38 Impediments to productive debate on US foreign policy

Robert Wright (Bloggingheads.tv, The Evolution of God, Nonzero, Why Buddhism Is True) and Fred Kaplan (Slate, Dark Territory). Recorded January 5, 2023.

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0:00.0	You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero podcast.
0:08.6	Hi, Fred.
0:10.1	Hey, Bob.
0:11.1	How you doing?
0:12.2	I'm good.
0:12.7	It's been a while.
0:13.6	Has been a while.
0:15.2	Let me introduce us.
0:19.0	And then we can talk about how long it's been.
0:21.5	I'm Robert Wright, publisher of the Non-Zero Newsletter.
0:23.7	This is a Non-Zero podcast.
0:26.2	You are Fred Kaplan.
0:27.9	Long time, I guess could you say National Security Correspondent for Slate?
0:33.6	Columnist, maybe?
0:34.6	Columnist.
0:35.2	Your column is called War Stories.
0:36.9	Is that right?
0:54.2	That's right. All true. For Slate. For Slate. Yeah, I think I mentioned that. I go way back with Slate myself. In fact, I mean, not to pull rank, but I was actually writing the column for Slate even before you were. And that's saying something. I think that's true. Trust me.
0:59.1	So, but how long have you been writing this, doing this?
1:00.3	20 years.
1:01.0	Jeez.
1:02.3	So you know a lot.
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