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The Dispatch Podcast

An Enduring Memory

The Dispatch Podcast

The Dispatch

News, Politics

4.63.3K Ratings

🗓️ 11 September 2020

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

It’s the 19th anniversary of September 11, 2001, one of the most harrowing historical events in living memory. Today, our podcast hosts reflect on their personal memories of the day as a launching point into a discussion about  the United States’ current understanding of al-Qaeda nearly two decades later. In reality, we don’t talk about al-Qaeda much anymore other than within the context of Trump’s “endless wars” rhetoric. Just this week, the Trump administration announced that troops  in Iraq will be reduced to 3,000. What’s more, peace negotiations are taking place with Taliban representatives, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and representatives of the Afghan government this weekend. So as Steve points out, “You’d be forgiven for thinking this is all over.” But as Dispatch Podcast guest Tom Joscelyn reminds us on today’s episode, “Al-Qaeda is still very much alive.” Though Tom concedes that there’s a lot you can criticize about U.S. military intervention post-9/11, “It’s much more common, in my experience, that people who are against the U.S. using military force or U.S. military action to play disconnect the dots than it is for some sort of a so-called hawk to overconnect the dots.” On today’s episode, Tom, Sarah, and Steve discuss American intelligence officials’ current misunderstanding of al-Qaeda, the UAE and Bahrain’s plans to normalize their relationship with Israel, and the real and imagined foreign threats to the upcoming election. Show Notes: -“Why ‘Outside-In’ Diplomacy Could Be the Key to Middle East Peace” by Jonathan Schanzer, “This 9/11 anniversary arrives with the end of the war on al-Qaeda well in sight” by Christopher Miller, director of the National Counterterrorism Center in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, and “The Falling Man” by Thomas Junod. -Tom Joscelyn’s Vital Interests newsletter for The Dispatch. -30-day free trial of The Dispatch Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Friday Dispatch podcast. I'm your host Sarah Isger joined by Steve Hayes

0:05.5

and Tom Jocelyn, author of the Dispatch newsletter Vital Interest, which you can subscribe

0:10.3

to on our website, thedispatch.com. He joins us today to talk about September 11th, 19 years

0:17.8

later.

0:30.0

Let's dive right in. Tom, it is the 19th anniversary of September 11th and go on Twitter or on

0:42.3

any new site. And it's interesting to re-remember not just what happened that day, but some of

0:52.3

the stories that came out after and just some of the emotions that happened that day for

0:58.8

all of us. And maybe the easiest place to start is where were you?

1:04.2

Actually, I was working as an economist helping to run some very large research projects at

1:10.5

the time. And to be clear, I have no personal stake in events in 9-11. I didn't know any

1:17.3

of the victims or anything like that. But our sister company was, in fact, wiped out

1:21.6

in one of the World Trade Centers. And I ended up taking up some of the work of people who

1:25.7

were lost that day very, very briefly. That, you know, I don't want to say that had any

1:31.8

emotional impact on me. I don't think it really did. But I did absolutely after that day become

1:36.8

obsessed with trying to understand sort of what happened. And in particular, Al Qaeda and

1:41.6

Hal Qaeda operates in sort of an obsession that stuck with me all these years.

1:47.6

Steve, where were you?

1:50.3

I was at my house on Capitol Hill and had was preparing to go to Capitol Hill. Laura Bush was doing

2:02.8

a hearing on Capitol Hill on education policy. And I was preparing to go cover that and heard

2:10.4

about the first plane hitting and I flipped on the TV and watched the second plane hit. And then

2:18.4

scrambled. Then it was a scramble. I had to get to the weekly standard offices. My brother was

2:24.1

working at the World Bank at the time. And there was lots of early speculation that what was

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