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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

An economic crisis like we’ve never seen

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, News, News Commentary, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.511.1K Ratings

🗓️ 23 March 2020

⏱️ 81 minutes

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Summary

“What is happening,” writes Annie Lowrey, “is a shock to the American economy more sudden and severe than anyone alive has ever experienced.”   It’s also different from what anyone alive has ever experienced. For many of us, the Great Recession is the closest analogue — but it’s not analogous at all. There, the economy’s potential was unchanged, but financial markets were in crisis. Here, we are purposefully freezing economic activity in order to slow a public health crisis. Early data suggests the economic crisis is going to far exceed any single week or quarter of the financial crisis. Multiple economists have told me that the nearest analogy to what we’re going through is the economy during World War II. I have a secret advantage when trying to understand moments of economic upheaval. I’m married to Annie Lowrey. I can give you the bio — staff writer at the Atlantic, author of Give People Money (which is proving particularly prophetic and influential right now) — but suffice to say she’s one of the clearest and most brilliant economic thinkers I know. Her viral piece on the affordability crisis is crucial for understanding what the economy really looked like before Covid-19, and she’s been doing some of the best work on the way Covid-19 will worsen the economic problems we had and create a slew of new ones. But this isn’t just a conversation about crisis. It’s also a conversation about how to respond. I wouldn’t call it hopeful — we’re not there yet. But constructive. References: "The Great Affordability Crisis Breaking America" by Annie Lowrey If you enjoyed this episode, check out: "Fix recessions by giving people money," The Weeds Book recommendations: Severance by Ling Ma Midnight in Chernobyl by Adam Higginbotham Crashed by Adam Tooze Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We are seeing not just in the United States,

0:34.6

but around the world just as this cataclysm.

0:38.9

I've never seen anything like it before.

0:53.6

Hello and welcome to the Asura Clanchel on the Box Media Podcast Network.

0:57.6

This is a special episode in a very strange time.

1:00.9

My guest today, I think may be my most requested guest or certainly one of them.

1:04.9

It is Annie Lowry, the amazing economics reporter at the Atlantic,

1:09.3

formerly of the New York Times and New York.

1:11.5

She's also the author of, of course, of Give People Money,

1:13.9

a great book about cash transfers that include universal basic income,

1:17.2

but are not limited to universal basic income.

1:19.6

A book I think that is proving particularly prophetic right now,

1:22.1

as you see a real move, as people think about stimulus towards doing direct cash transfer.

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