The Secret Service to give a game analogy, they're the master chess players.

They're the ones moving the chess pieces all around.

You're looking for any type of potential threat and any way to mitigate it.

There's no way that this wasn't noticed.

Hello and welcome to Best Case Worst Case. This is Tim Jim Clemente retired FBI profile of former New York City prosecutor and writer producer of criminal minds.

And with me today from afar the lovely...

Hi everybody, it's Fransi Hakes, former state and federal prosecutor.

Kim, I'm so excited.

We have an incredible topic to talk about today and two fan favorites,

to Francie favorites,

let's just say also.

I'm really excited to have them on the podcast

to give their incredible expertise

on this very, very breaking news and interesting subject.

Let's start over, actually down here on my Zoom.

Well, actually, it's over there.

Is Jim Fitz, Fitz please introduce yourself.

I am James R Fitzgerald, Fitz for short, retired FBI supervisory special agent, prof forensic linguist and I do TV work I was the

subject of manhunt unibomer with Sam Worthington portraying me, which Jim co-created and wrote a bunch of the

scripts and I always thank Jim for that. And now I'm in retirement but I'm still

teaching, I'm writing books, I'm doing media work and I have my own

podcast cold red is cold red right which Maureen will be on next season I'm going in

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