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What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi.

Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?

Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.

From prologue projects and Pushkin Industries, this is Fiasco, Benghazi.

What difference at this point does it make?

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Music This is Lee Habib, and this is our American stories.

Many flags from the Revolutionary War era feature a pine tree, a symbol that might seem innocent at first, but once

you know its history, the meaning is much deeper. Here to tell the story is Ashley Lubinsky.

Ashley is the former co-host of Discovery Channel's Master of Arms. She's also the co-founder

of the University of Wyoming College of Laws Firearms Research Center.

Here's Ashley.

You've probably heard of the Betsy Ross flag.

In fact, most people have probably heard of that, especially with the anniversary of the American Revolution.

But there were a lot of flags that were popular during that time frame.

A lot of people are aware of the Gadsden flag, which is basically a broken-up rattlesnake

that represents the colonies and has the infamous phrase, don't tread on me.

But interestingly, there's another flag from the American Revolution that almost no one

talks about.

And in some ways, it's got one of the boldest messages that the colonies have ever sent to

the British.

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