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Foreign Policy Live

An Alliance of Autocracies?

Foreign Policy Live

Foreign Policy

News Commentary, News, Politics

4.1622 Ratings

🗓️ 18 October 2024

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

North Korea and Iran are fascinating countries for many reasons, but also because they're part of an emerging alliance of autocracies. China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea are increasingly helping each other out in a range of global hotspots, often stymieing U.S. interests. But what is their end goal? FP Live asks Barbara Slavin, an Iran expert at the Stimson Center, and Chung Min Lee, a Korea expert at the Carnegie Endowment. Suggested reading (FP links are paywall-free):Daniel R. DePetris and Jennifer Kavanagh: The ‘Axis of Evil’ Is Overhyped Robbie Gramer: Looks Like ‘Axis of Evil’ Is Back on the Menu The Economist: A new “quartet of chaos” threatens America Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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This is FP Live.

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On a recent visit to Keeve, I learned something new.

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The head of Ukrainian defense intelligence, Kareido Budanov, was asked to assess which

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of Russia's allies were helping it the most.

1:24.9

You'd expect his answer to be China, perhaps for its transport of dual-use electronics,

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or you'd think it would be Iran for its drones. Now, those are all useful to Russia, of course,

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but he actually said that the biggest problem for him was North Korea, which was sending

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thousands upon thousands of shipping containers

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to Russia filled with munitions. Tiny North Korea, a huge threat. Keev now says that North Korea is

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