I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute, hey, I'm ghosted!

Hey Boo! It's me, Roz! I have got a fun conversation coming at you today with Amy

Bruney, who this time is joined by Adam Berry. You probably know both of them from

Ghost Hunters and of course, Kindred Spirits, which their new season is coming out

on the 18th of December, that is their sixth season. The show is so good. I love their

approach to all this stuff and so we get into it a little bit. No chip, coffee, this time,

but cross in my fingers one of these days we'll get chip on this show. One of the things that I

briefly brought up with on this episode is this idea of an Aggregor, which is something I've

always been fascinated by. It just hasn't come up a whole lot. Maybe a time or two on this show

over the past almost three years of doing it, but it's basically this idea of

kind of, can you come up with a ghost just by believing that there's a ghost there?

And they did some experiments with it on Kindred Spirits a time or two. And one thing that's mentioned

is the Philip experiment. We mentioned that in today's conversation. And I've known about this,

I've read about it in books, and I don't know, have you ever heard of it? I'll tell you about it.

Did a little research here. So basically, most of this info is coming from a website called

liveabout.com. And in the early 70s, 1972, the Toronto Society for Sicklical Research did this

experiment with parapsychologist A.R. George Owen and psychologist Dr. Joel Witten.

Basically, they wanted to create a ghost through communication, you know, with the say-ons,

they wanted to make some contact. And so they get eight people together. And they basically just

came up with this ghost. They made the whole backstory. All these details, they said, okay,

his name's going to be Philip. Philip Ails Ford. He's born in England. 1624 was the year. He served

in the military. He was knighted at age 16. He came up with this whole storyline that he was an ally

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