When a Shooter Comes to Your School
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🗓️ 28 May 2022
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Summary
In light of the Uvalde school shooting, we’re rebroadcasting a special audio presentation from Amicus that originally aired in 2018. Dahlia Lithwick spoke to three educators who survived gun violence at their schools. Heather Martin was a student at Columbine during the 1999 mass shooting; Mary Ann Jacob was library clerk at Sandy Hook at the time of the 2012 shooting; and Ken Yuers was a teacher at Rancho Tehama Elementary School when it suffered a school shooting in 2017. They discussed what they experienced, what it was like going back to the classroom, and what they want changed.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, I'm Dahlia Lithwick, and this is a special audio presentation from Slate. |
| 0:04.2 | According to the Washington Post's data on school shootings, more than 215,000 students have experienced gun violence since the killings at Columbine High School in 1999. |
| 0:14.8 | And that number doesn't even include teachers and other school workers. |
| 0:18.5 | Today, I'm talking with three people who experienced gun violence in their school. |
| 0:22.8 | We'll begin with Heather Martin. She's currently a high school English teacher in Aurora, Colorado. |
| 0:27.6 | But in 1999, she was a senior at Columbine High School, where 13 people were shot to death. |
| 0:33.6 | Heather remembers the shooting began while she was in choir class. |
| 0:36.9 | A student ran up through the doors and just said, |
| 0:38.9 | someone has a gun downstairs and they're shooting. We all kind of immediately jumped up, like, |
| 0:43.6 | probably out of shock. And the teacher yelled at us and was like, get down. So we kind of sat down. |
| 0:49.7 | And then the gunfire erupted right outside the doorway. So a bunch of people scattered. I did not scatter. I'm not really sure why I think I just was in shock and didn't want to overreact. Definitely, you know, not thinking that that could happen at my school. There's there's a chance I went outside to investigate what was happening. A friend of mine says that we went outside the door where we saw Mr. Sanders take a bullet. I don't have any memory of that, but we did come back into the choir room and eventually barricaded ourselves into the teacher's office with we put the two desks in |
| 1:28.8 | front of the door. There were about 60 of us barricaded in there for three hours. So we heard the |
| 1:35.4 | gunfire happening in the library, which is where most of the murders took place. And after three |
| 1:41.1 | hours, heard a knock at the door. We all looked at each other like, what should we do? |
| 1:46.4 | One of the students was like, who is it? |
| 1:49.0 | And, you know, Denver SWAT team opened the door. |
| 1:51.5 | So we moved the desks and came like flying out the door. |
| 1:55.7 | We couldn't get out of there fast enough. |
| 1:57.8 | From there, they did question us and search us and then led us out of the school in |
| 2:02.8 | groups of 10. The gunmen had a lot of pipe bombs that they had set off throughout the building. |
| 2:09.1 | So the fire alarm was going off. The sprinklers were on. So I remember walking through water. |
| 2:17.4 | And when I was walking through the commons, that was very |
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