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🗓️ 9 August 2025
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0:49.9 | Okay. I'm Mark Joseph Stern, and this is Amicus, Slate's podcast about the courts, law, and the Supreme Court. |
0:56.3 | That's a simple story I can tell myself, and now I can put Native people in that bucket or not in that bucket. |
0:59.6 | I can put Black Americans in that bucket or not in that bucket. |
1:04.3 | That's just not actually where we're at anymore, I think, as a country. |
1:13.1 | The official history of America's founding is often told as a whites only story, a heroic tale of wealthy white men forging a new nation with no mention of the people they excluded, displaced, |
1:19.4 | or oppressed. That version was always more mythology than fact, and always incomplete. |
1:26.0 | In recent years, academics and journalists have tried to correct |
1:29.3 | the record by including people who were cut out of the frame. We saw this much-needed update with the |
1:34.9 | 1619 project, and we're seeing it play out in the courts as well. In June, Justice Katanji-Brown |
1:41.3 | Jackson called out Justice Clarence Thomas for relying on the views of a few dead white men to determine the meaning of civil rights, arguing that any honest originalist must look to, quote, a broader and more inclusive survey of historical sources. |
1:57.4 | As an example, she cited the colored conventions, a series of meetings held throughout the |
2:02.3 | 1800s during which black Americans expressed their own interpretations of the law. |
2:09.4 | This dispute between Thomas and Jackson made me wonder, who gets left out of the story |
2:15.0 | that originalists like to tell about the law. |
2:22.9 | Well, before there even was a United States, there were Native Nations, some of which were very much on the scene as the Constitution was being debated and ratified. |
2:28.4 | What did they think about it? |
2:30.2 | And does asking that question risk squeezing Native Nations into a system they never really |
2:35.8 | consented to? |
2:38.3 | To answer those questions, I talked to two leading professors of Indian law, Maggie Blackhawk, |
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