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Amicus | The Forgotten Lawsuits Targeting Trump’s Worst Abuses

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🗓️ 20 December 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

In mid-March of 2025, ACLU attorney Lee Gelernt and his colleagues started hearing that the Trump administration might attempt a flagrantly lawless publicity stunt, involving migrant men, secret flights to El Salvador, a notorious gulag, and a total disregard for due process. Despite getting word that something was about to happen, and rushing into a Saturday night hearing, and then securing a TRO from DC judge James Boasberg, Lee and his colleagues were unable to prevent more than 250 men from being renditioned from Texas to the CECOT torture prison in El Salvador. The legal cases spawned by the dramatic events of March 15th 2025 haven’t gone away, indeed they are reaching crucial milestones in the courts, raising foundational questions about the abuse of statutes and what it means to defy court orders. On this week’s Amicus, Dahlia Lithwick is joined by the ACLU’s Lee Gelernt who is litigating these cases, to discuss the very high stakes of a set of cases that may have fallen off your radar in the shuffle.  How these cases play out will dictate much of what happens for the rest of Trump’s term in office by answering democracy-defining questions such as whether the antiquated and radical wartime powers of the Alien Enemies Act can be unleashed on people the government deems enemies domestically, whether court orders are actually directives the Trump DoJ is bound  to follow, whether the district courts can require Pam Bondi’s justice department to assist in the finding of fact, and whether the ancient legal concepts protecting liberty of due process and habeas corpus have the force of law in Trump’s America.  If you want to access that special 50% promotion for Slate Plus membership, go to slate.com/amicusplus and enter promo code AMICUS 50.  This offer expires on Dec 31st 2025. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

This is Amicus Slate's podcast about the courts, the law, and the Supreme Court.

0:09.0

I'm Dahlia Lethweig.

0:18.7

They have done everything they can to avoid scrutiny by the courts.

0:23.8

That's the whole game for them, is eliminating due process.

0:28.1

We have never been invaded.

0:30.1

This is the worst thing that, frankly, in my opinion,

0:34.8

the worst thing that the Biden administration did to our country is the invasion

0:39.0

at the border.

0:42.0

Full-on Nazi shit was how one commenter characterized President Donald Trump's prime time

0:49.1

address to the nation on Wednesday night.

0:51.5

The last administration and their allies in Congress brought in millions and millions of migrants

0:57.1

and gave them taxpayer-funded housing while your rent and housing costs skyrocketed.

1:03.1

Eleven months into his second stint in the White House, as his administration hit new lows in the polls

1:09.5

and his chief of staff gossiped about the predilections of his inner circle to Vanity Fair.

1:15.0

The U.S. president opted to dial the racist anti-immigrant rhetoric up to 11 in a speech made of equal parts boasting and falsehoods.

1:23.8

Over 60 percent of growth in the rental market came from foreign migrants.

1:28.7

At the same time, illegal aliens stole American jobs and flooded emergency rooms,

1:33.7

getting free health care and education paid for by you, the American taxpayer.

1:38.4

He claimed that an army of 25 million immigrants invaded the United States between 2020 and 24. He blamed those born

1:47.5

outside the U.S. foreigners for everything from rising rents to emergency room overcrowding to

1:53.4

law enforcement costs increasing, quote, by numbers so high that they are not even to be

2:00.2

mentioned. He claimed that the year before his

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