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Amicus | Sneak Preview: What Trump’s First Big Loss At SCOTUS Means

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🗓️ 5 March 2025

⏱️ 7 minutes

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Summary

On Wednesday morning the Supreme Court dealt a blow to the Trump administration's effort to withhold $2 billion promised for foreign aid work. Dahlia Lithwick and Mark Joseph Stern discuss the Court’s decision to reject the Trump administration's request to halt a lower court's order, by a five to four vote, compelling the State Department to resume payments. While Chief Justice John Roberts and Amy Coney Barrett sided with the court's liberal justices, Justice Samuel Alito offered a “stunned” dissent, reacting to the Court’s surprising rebuke to the Trump administration with few facts but plenty of fury.  This episode is member-exclusive. Listen to it now by subscribing to Slate Plus. By joining, not only will you unlock weekly bonus episodes of Amicus—you’ll also access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. You can subscribe directly from the Amicus show page on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Or, visit slate.com/amicusplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hi, I'm Dahlia Lithwick, and this is a special edition of Amicus, Slate's podcast about the courts and the law and the U.S. Supreme Court.

0:13.8

We are bringing you this extra episode with news of the first real clash between Donald Trump's Doge agenda and the highest court in the land on Wednesday morning in a brief order.

0:27.1

The Supreme Court rejected an emergency application from the Trump administration to junk a lower court order,

0:34.6

forcing the State Department to immediately pay out $2 billion owed to contractors for foreign aid work they had already completed.

0:42.7

The decision was, slightly alarmingly, five to four with Chief Justice John Roberts and Amy Coney-Barrant joining the court's liberal wing to side with the two challengers to the sudden freeze

0:56.1

of foreign aid spending. Joining me to chew over both the brief order and the hail fellow

1:03.8

well-met greeting between Donald Trump and, quote, his chief justice at Tuesday night's

1:10.5

joint session of Congress is Slate's very own Mark

1:14.1

Joseph Stern. Hi, Mark. Hi, Dahlia. I'm just going to note, I'm in a hotel room in Arizona,

1:21.2

and there's a baby screaming in the room next door. I would ordinarily not flag this,

1:27.4

except if you hear that sound,

1:29.7

that's actually all of us. I think she speaks for us all.

1:33.4

Especially Sam Alito today, who's never whined more like a baby than in this descent.

1:38.2

That baby is channeling Sam Alito. Before we get to this, I think, very consequential first loss for Donald Trump,

1:48.8

I think we need to start with the audio of Donald Trump after his remarks, personally thanking

1:57.4

the Chief Justice on Tuesday evening. Thank you again.

2:01.9

Thank you again.

2:03.0

Won't forget.

2:04.3

And that's the sound of President Trump patting the Chief Justice on his shoulder, thanking him and assuring him he will not forget.

2:14.2

So, Mark, we have this awkward moment.

2:16.7

It's horrifying. I think Elena Kagan's face, much like the baby in the hotel room next door, speaks for us all.

2:24.6

They waited to release this blockbuster order until after Donald Trump gave his speech.

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