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Amicus | SCOTUS, Meet The Broligarchs

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4.66K Ratings

🗓️ 10 May 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

After Silicon Valley’s yeet to the right after Donald Trump was elected in 2016, and the DOGE-ification of the federal government (read: chaos and abuse as the driving ethos of HR), it felt like high time to delve into the evolving relationship between tech billionaires like Elon Musk and Peter Thiel and the U.S. government. Their influence has massive implications for core constitutional issues such as mass surveillance, privacy, and deregulation. Kara Swisher joins Dahlia Lithwick on this week’s Amicus to highlight the dangers of tech giants' encroachment on government oversight and the implications of AI and cryptocurrency.  This week’s episode concludes with a heartfelt tribute to Justice David Souter who died on Thursday. Dahlia and former Souter Clerk Mary-Rose Papandrea reflect on the late Justice’s humility, judicial philosophy, and the profound loss felt by his former clerks and the legal community. Want more Amicus? Join Slate Plus to unlock weekly bonus episodes with exclusive legal analysis. Plus, you’ll access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. You can subscribe directly from the Amicus show page on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Or, visit slate.com/amicusplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm Dahlia Lithwick, and this is Amicus, Slate's podcast about the courts and the law and the Supreme Court.

0:13.9

The nation lost a profoundly humble, brilliant, and consequential jurist this past week.

0:20.5

Like the character of an individual, the legitimacy of the court must be earned over time.

0:25.9

If the court's legitimacy should be undermined, the country would also, in its very ability to see itself through its constitutional ideals.

0:35.5

The court's concern with legitimacy is not for the sake of the court, but for the sake of

0:40.5

the nation to which it is responsible.

0:43.0

Later on in the show, we're going to be spending some time with one of Justice David

0:47.6

Souter's former clerks to reflect on his life and legacy.

0:52.0

Souter clerks are kind of famously some of the nicest and also the smartest people on earth,

0:57.3

and Professor Mary Rose Papandrea

0:59.5

is very much true to that mold.

1:02.0

Professor Pepandrea is going to help me think through

1:04.4

what we have lost and what we should try to hold on tight to

1:08.1

from Justice Souter's years on the highest court in the land.

1:13.7

But first...

1:15.4

The danger is anti-privacy stuff, a danger is surveillance, the danger is taking away due

1:22.3

process and your rights.

1:24.5

It's sort of like minority report.

1:25.8

You're convicted before you murder someone, right?

1:27.7

You know that movie.

1:31.0

One of the things we started wondering about within moments of the Trump inauguration was this.

1:37.9

Who the heck are Elon Musk and Peter Thiel and Mark Andreessen, Curtis Y Yarvin, and all these weird billionaire tech bros,

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