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Amicus | How To Build A Police State (With The Supreme Court’s Blessing)

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🗓️ 19 July 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Over the last six months, life has been upended for  millions of people in America as Stephen Miller's extreme immigration policies have been unleashed. And while the first weeks of the second Trump administration saw some genuine pushback from the Supreme  Court, six months in, that feint at checking and balancing has fallen away. On this week's Amicus podcast, Dahlia Lithwick welcomes Aaron Reichlin Melnick, Senior Fellow at the American Immigration Council. Reichlin Melnick last appeared on the show in the days after Trump's inauguration and the initial barrage of lawless Executive Orders targeting the immigration system and the millions caught in it. Half a year into Trump 2.0, and Stephen Miller's no-holds-barred anti-immigrant plan for America, what's stuck? What's accelerated? And in light of the new budget, what's next? Want more Amicus? Join Slate Plus to unlock weekly bonus episodes with exclusive legal analysis. Plus, you’ll access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. You can subscribe directly from the Amicus show page on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Or, visit slate.com/amicusplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:40.1

I'm Dahlia Lithwick. This is Amicus, Slate's podcast about the courts, the law, and the Supreme Court.

0:52.7

As you may have noticed, while the big velvet curtains closed on the ceremonial courtroom at one first street a few weeks back, the justices continued to do the nation's business,

0:56.5

evidently remotely, occasionally quite carelessly, but always, always raising the question of why

1:02.5

they require a ceremonial courtroom at one first street. In the first instance, if doing law by

1:09.0

fiat can be so easily dispensed from a first-class cabin.

1:14.2

This week, the court's conservative supermajority lifted a block on Donald Trump's plans to

1:19.6

eliminate the Department of Education. It lands a little bit like an unsigned out-of-office.

1:25.1

Greetings from our summer break, Mr. President. Do let us know if you need

1:28.5

anything else. So while the question is to whether the executive's effective dismantling

1:34.9

of an entire department created by Congress and to be dissolved only by Congress is actually

1:40.9

legal, when's its way back up to the High Court, the administration can get on

1:46.5

with effectively dismantling that department right now. So we are left yet again without any

1:52.1

majority reasoning and left to read fury and frustration in dissent this time from Justice

1:58.2

Sonia Sotomayor calling out the, quote, grave threat to the separation of powers

2:03.3

and the majority's willingness to reward, quote, clear defiance of the Constitution.

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