Amicus | Big Law Stands Up

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🗓️ 15 March 2025

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Donald Trump continued his almost uninterrupted losing streak in the courts. Across the country we saw federal judges openly criticizing his Administration officials and their lawyers for overreach, bullying and misrepresentations about not only their cases, but about norms and values. But Trump has both judges and law firms in his crosshairs. On this week’s show, former US Attorney Preet Bharara joins Dahlia Lithwick to discuss the role of lawyers and law firms and legal norms in a crisis of lawlessness, and the extent to which court victories alone can save democracy. Want more Amicus? Join Slate Plus to unlock weekly bonus episodes with exclusive legal analysis. Plus, you’ll access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. You can subscribe directly from the Amicus show page on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Or, visit slate.com/amicusplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:53.6	Hi, and welcome back to Amicus. This is Slate's podcast about the law and the Supreme Court and the rule of law.
0:58.5	I'm Dahlia Lithwick.
1:00.3	This week has seen kind of equal and opposite reactions on the law to lawlessness access,
1:07.5	with the Trump administration ramping up really horrifically unlawful actions ranging
1:14.0	from trying to shutter the Department of Education to terrorizing Columbia University to
1:19.8	disappearing a green cardholder without due process. But at the same time, judges and courts
1:25.6	around the country are handing out temporary restraining orders and injunctions, and they are reinstating government workers fired without cause.
1:34.3	Now, nobody's going to fault you for being unable to keep up with all of this.
1:38.4	That's what we're here for.
1:40.6	And this week's guest is a longstanding avatar, I think, for the proposition that the rule of law can always stay a step ahead of the rule of chaos, even in really challenging political times.
1:54.8	Preet Barrara is a former U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York.
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