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The Radio Free Hillsdale Hour

Americans Are More United Than We Think

The Radio Free Hillsdale Hour

Hillsdale College

Education

4.8649 Ratings

🗓️ 9 January 2026

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Guests: John J. Miller & Jonathan Butcher

Host Scot Bertram talks with John J. Miller, director of the Dow Journalism Program at Hillsdale College, about his recent essay on why journalism suffers when journalists lack curiosity. And Jonathan Butcher, acting director at the Center for Education Policy and Will Skillman Senior Research Fellow in Education Policy at the Heritage Foundation, discusses how Americans are far more united than the media portrays and dives into his new book The Polarization Myth: America's Surprising Consensus on Race, Schools, and Sex.

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0:00.0

from the historic campus of Hillsdale College in Hillsdale, Michigan, where the good, the true, and the beautiful are taught, nurtured, and honored, this is the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour, bringing the activity and education of the college to listeners across the country.

0:24.6

The results found that parents and the general public do not like the idea that young children would have access to explicit content on school library shelves.

0:34.6

And there's a lot of discussion today that any attempt to

0:37.9

remove such books from school libraries is an effort at censorship or that you're banning books.

0:44.8

I think that's nonsense. This is your host, Scott Bertram. Welcome to the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour,

0:51.7

part of the Hillsdale College Podcast Network.

0:55.2

That was Jonathan Butcher, author of the recent book The Polarization Myth,

0:59.7

America's surprising consensus on race, schools, and sex.

1:03.4

We go in-depth later on in today's program with Jonathan about what we really agree on.

1:08.8

First.

1:14.8

We're joined by John J. Miller. He is director of the Dow Journalism Program here at Hillsdale College. John, thanks for joining us. Hi, Scott. Thanks for having me on the show.

1:19.8

Also author of a recent essay over at Word on Fire.org and it's titled, The News is Where You Look. And that's also the first line of this essay,

1:30.8

John. What does that mean to you in practice? How does it shape news coverage at various outlets?

1:36.7

It's something a friend of mine said. A fellow journalist said recently,

1:40.3

the news is where you look. And what I loved about that line is that it captures the most

1:46.6

powerful force in media content. In other words, story selection. How you determine what is the

1:54.5

news, what angle you take, how you determine what's not the news. And so much of it is where you look.

2:00.6

It's where you look for news. It's what you think is news. And so much of it is where you look. It's where you look for news.

2:02.3

It's what you think is news. And one of the implications, of course, is where are you not looking

2:07.1

for news or things happening there? But this idea, the news is where you look. I think captures

2:12.0

this important factor in terms of what our media tells us. It has implications for media bias,

2:20.2

all kinds of things. But I like that phrase. The news is where you look. The where is important.

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