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The Brian Lehrer Show

Americans are Economically Stuck

The Brian Lehrer Show

WNYC

Bryan, Politics, Arts, Npr, News, Wnyc, News Commentary, Nyc, Daily News, Lerer, New, Public, Radio, Media, York

4.61.5K Ratings

🗓️ 16 October 2025

⏱️ 15 minutes

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Summary

Rachel Louise Ensign, economics reporter with The Wall Street Journal, explains the economic forces keeping Americans stuck in their homes and jobs, and it's impact.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Brian Mayer on WNYC, here's a question for you, listeners. Have you been feeling stuck

0:16.1

recently, specifically, would you like to move, but you can't? Maybe you're in a job you don't

0:22.2

love and you want to move to take one in another city, but the housing market is blocking you,

0:27.1

or maybe your family outgrew your apartment one or two kids ago. Yeah, you know who you are.

0:33.1

And are you supposed to be an empty nester, but your recent college grad hasn't found an affordable place of

0:38.7

their own to live? Well, you are far from alone. Listen to this headline from the Wall Street Journal.

0:43.9

I'm going to talk to their reporter. Nobody's buying homes, nobody's switching jobs, and America's

0:49.4

mobility is stalling. With me now is one of the reporters of that article. Rachel, Louise Ensign.

0:57.7

Rachel, welcome to WNYC. Thanks so much for having me. And listeners, help us report this particular

1:03.6

affordability story. Would you like to move, but you can't? Tell us your story. 212-433 WNYC. Maybe you're in a job you don't love and you want to move to take one in another city. But the housing market, even there, even if it's not New York, is blocking you or because it's hard to sell. Or maybe your family outgrew your apartment one or two kids ago. Or are you supposed to be an empty nester, but your

1:28.3

recent college grad hasn't found an affordable place of their own to live? Whatever your story is,

1:33.6

call and tell it. 212-433. WNYC. 433-9692.

1:41.3

Rachel, give us more on your headline. What do you mean when you write America's

1:44.6

mobility is stalling beyond what I already said? Well, a lot of data shows that people are moving

1:52.0

to new homes and new cities at around the lowest rate on record. And on the hiring front,

1:59.6

you see something pretty similar where companies aren't laying

2:03.1

that many people off, but they're also not really hiring either.

2:06.7

So a lot of workers are aware of that, and they're just kind of clinging to the job that

2:12.3

they have because they are worried about finding a new one if they left.

2:18.7

Let's take an example from your article, a young adult example, a recent college grad,

2:25.3

Hosewe Leon.

2:26.4

What's he going through?

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