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Americano: will Trump get dragged into the Israel-Iran conflict?

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🗓️ 16 June 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

Relations between Iran and Israel are deteriorating rapidly, with comparisons being drawn to Israel’s 1981 strike on Iraq’s Osirak nuclear reactor. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu appears to be advocating for regime change in Tehran, reportedly encouraging the United States to take military action. Donald Trump, who previously came close to authorising a strike, is now said to be more cautious – mindful of the risks of exposing American forces abroad and being drawn into another protracted conflict, contrary to the non-interventionist platform on which he was elected. The Iranian regime, built on a foundation of resistance, is responding to Israel’s attacks while also expanding its network of regional proxies, which now extends as far as South America and east Africa. Iran is believed to be only weeks away from producing weapons-grade uranium, meaning that failure to institute regime change may lead Tehran to accelerate its nuclear ambitions – particularly if tensions are eased while the current regime remains in power.


Russia, meanwhile, has positioned itself as a strategic disruptor. By maintaining dialogue with both Tehran and Jerusalem, Moscow retains influence over developments without aligning itself fully with either side. Although it has refrained from supplying Iran with its most advanced military technology, its ambiguous stance offers it significant leverage. While global energy prices have thus far remained stable, the possibility of disruption cannot be discounted. Cautious but alert, the Gulf states are keen to avoid direct involvement. The broader question now facing the international community is whether diplomacy can contain the crisis – or whether the region is edging closer to a far more serious and destabilising confrontation.


To discuss the conflict, Freddy Gray speaks to Owen Matthews and Charlie Gammell.


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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics, power and prejudices.

0:15.3

It is 2025 and Donald Trump is president once again of the United States.

0:21.9

We will, of course, be following the moves of the Donald and his second administration very closely.

0:28.5

However, it won't just be politics for us this year.

0:31.3

We'll also talk a lot and cover American culture, life and the arts.

0:37.2

I should also remind you, because my producer, Natasha Natasha will not let me hear the end of it,

0:41.8

that we are on Spectator TV.

0:44.6

So head to our YouTube channel to watch that.

0:47.6

Today we are going to be talking about the war that has broken out between Israel and Iran.

0:55.3

And I will start by focusing on President Donald Trump

0:59.5

and how he's reacting to it since this is the Americano show.

1:03.6

But we'll broaden it out from there.

1:05.7

To discuss it, I'm delighted to be joined by two of my favorite spectator contributors.

1:10.6

Charlie Gamal, who is an author,

1:13.0

who is currently in Riyadh, who's written some great stuff for the spectator about this

1:17.5

in recent days. And the great Owen Matthews, our Russia correspondent, who wrote a fascinating

1:24.0

post last night on what this war means for Putin in relation to the great game of our current moment.

1:33.4

Charlie, I'll start with you.

1:35.9

It looks as though Israel is pushing for regime change on one hand and pressuring America to join in the fight.

1:49.1

What do you think the chances of those two possibilities are?

1:54.7

Well, perhaps if we start with the regime change option, there's been a lot of very sort of breathless posts that have been

2:02.5

appearing on pro-pat Navi and anti-regime websites and accounts over the last couple of days,

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