Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast. This is an election year. Will Donald Trump be

re-elected? What is going on with the Democrats? And has America gone even more crazy? We'll be

discussing all of these things and more, more than once a week, because we don't

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you will get 5% off. Please do so. I'm joined today by Michael Oslin, who is a fellow at the Hoover Institution,

Stanford University, and the author of Asia's new geopolitics, which is out now, isn't it, Michael?

Just about to be out. Just about to be out. Okay, well...

But you can pre-order it, yes.

Well, I got a taste of its brilliance in your piece yesterday for real clear politics,

saying that the coronavirus crisis was a turning point for China. And it also seems to me

it may well be a turning point, perhaps even quite a frightening turning point, in the relationship

between China and America. Would you say that's the case? I think it is.

I think it's also, you know, history can be ironic in these ways. We've been building up to a real

reckoning between China and the United States. I think the Trump administration policies have

shown that, but I think it would have happened under any U.S. president to one

degree or another. But this has all been supercharged and sort of pushed into a completely

different dimension by coronavirus, by the botched response of the Communist Party and the

Chinese government, by their attempts to cover it up, now by their attempts to shift blame and

even blame the United States for the virus.

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