This started a long life of group homes, detention centers, and ultimately prison.

At what point did they intervene? Why didn't they intervene?

It's a situation that I would not want to find myself in. I would never want to get attacked,

and I would never want to have to defend myself by killing somebody.

And the big question we always ask, John, is just as been served here.

This is True Crimecast.

This is True Crimecast, and if you are a regular listener, that's the last time you're ever going to hear that intro.

Thank God.

John is not a fan of that intro, and he went two years without telling me, I'm Jamie as always,

and we are super excited next week is when we're going to celebrate our five-year anniversary

of being a podcast.

Yeah. Guys, if we don't sound excited to be here, we couldn't be more excited.

We are both recovering from flu and just feel like complete crap.

But like we say, the show has to go on.

It does, and this is quite the story we have to share with you today.

Next week, again, we're going to have fresh intro music.

We've got some other things planned. We're excited about going to have an awesome case.

I'm really pumped about.

We have a great one today, too.

Before we get started with today's show, I have a couple of thank yous to issue to folks

that have reviewed our podcast. This comes from Emma 111 from Great Britain.

This says, my new favorite, how have I only just discovered this podcast?

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