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Autocracy in America

American Democracy Under Occupation

Autocracy in America

The Atlantic

Politics, Society & Culture, News

4.8999 Ratings

🗓️ 6 February 2026

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

When heavily armed agents of the federal government arrived in Minneapolis, the people of the Twin Cities responded with surprising strength.  In this episode, residents describe what drove them to act, and host Anne Applebaum speaks with Atlantic contributing writer Robert Worth about what he learned when he observed the tactics of the federal agents and the response of Minnesotans. Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Atlantic subscribers also get access to exclusive subscriber audio in Apple Podcasts. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/Listener. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'll tell you, I've been teaching for 25 years, and for 25 years we've had lockdowns,

0:06.0

teaching kids about, you know, mass shootings and schools. But I think in my head I never thought

0:11.0

it would be like our own government that we had to try to protect ourselves from or to protect

0:17.6

our children from.

0:27.6

From the Atlantic, this is Autocracy in America. I'm Ann Applebaum.

0:29.6

This season, I've been examining how the Trump White House

0:32.6

is rewriting the rules of U.S. politics

0:34.6

and talking to Americans whose lives have been changed as a result.

0:39.3

Today we're bringing you an extra episode that takes a look at what opposition to this new normal looks like, on the ground level.

0:47.3

When heavily armed agents of the federal government arrived in Minneapolis, the residents of Minneapolis and St. Paul

0:54.9

met those federal forces with surprising strength.

0:59.1

For this episode, I spoke to journalist Robert Worth,

1:02.8

a contributing writer at The Atlantic.

1:05.0

He's just been to Minneapolis,

1:06.8

where he observed the tactics of the federal agents

1:09.1

and the response of Minnesotans.

1:11.7

He and I both saw an eerie resemblance to other protest movements that we've witnessed in other parts of the world.

1:19.1

First, though, here's some more from the people of the Twin Cities, explaining how and why they were moved to act.

1:28.0

My name is Amanda Bauer.

1:30.1

I am an elementary music teacher in a small elementary school,

1:34.3

about 500 or so students from places all over the world,

1:39.7

primarily Hispanic and Latin American countries,

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