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So we were suspicious because it seemed like quite a track record. They said they killed 800 terrorists in 110 airstrikes in two years and it was a huge success and it just seemed kind of like really I mean it just that's not generally how war works. You're listening to War College, a weekly podcast that brings you the stories from behind

the front lines.

Here are your hosts. Hello and welcome to war college. I'm Matthew Gault. Derek Gannon is

busy finishing his finals this week so I've called in a pinch hitter to help

me host the show Joseph Trevathick. If you're a long time fan, you'll

know that Joe is one of our most frequent guests. He covers just about everything for

the war zone at the drive.com and also knows more about America's wars in Africa than anyone else I know which is going to be important

You'll see in just a minute. Joe, thank you for coming in

Thank you for having me. We're going to talk today about civilian casualties.

Civilian casualties are a fact of war. The Pentagon, we're told, does its best to

minimize them, but war is messy and it's impossible to achieve the number zero.

Unless you're talking about Somalia, America has been at war in the African country for years now, and according to the Pentagon,

it has conducted that war with almost no civilian

casualties. Amnesty International, a non-governmental organization focused on human rights, says

that's not true and has conducted its own investigation into the war

and uncovered evidence of civilian casualties. Amnesty International's report

is called the Hidden U.S. War in Somalia.

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