Welcome to The Lost Debata Show for Political Ecclectics.

I'm Ravi Gupta.

And today we welcome back, Bethany McLean, who previously joined us.

I don't know, it was maybe a year ago, to talk about how screwed up our healthcare system is.

And I bring her back on to talk about the huge national conversation going on in the wake of the assassination of the CEO of United Healthcare.

We talk about both the debate around vigilantism and political violence,

but then also continue our conversation about the healthcare system writ large.

And then we close out by talking about the Trump administration, RFK Jr., J. Badacharya,

Make America Healthy again, et cetera.

So a lot of topics here.

If you don't know, Bethany, she became famous for breaking a lot of critical aspects of the

Enron scandal that was packaged into a book called The Smartest Guys in the Room, which also,

I think, was made into a documentary of the same name, which is pretty awesome. She's written

about the financial crisis, about the health care, which is pretty awesome. She's written about the financial

crisis, about the health care system, et cetera. She's written for a number of publications and is

incredibly thoughtful. And I think you're really going to enjoy this one. And I think we really

contribute something meaningful and unique to this larger conversation happening on healthcare.

So let's jump right in.

Bethany, welcome back to the podcast. Thank you. Thanks for having me again.

Happy birthday. Thank you. Well, this is a weird time to have you on, although probably the perfect time in many ways. You wrote a book about how screwed up our healthcare system is and how screwed up our public health dialogue is.

And that was the last conversation we had.

And then obviously a few days ago, we had the assassination of the CEO of United Health here in New York and a rather strange dialogue going on

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