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Inside the Hive

America’s Grifter Obsession

Inside the Hive

Vanity Fair

News

4.21.5K Ratings

🗓️ 10 February 2023

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

Joe Pompeo and Maggie Coughlan jump down the rabbit hole of some of the all-time greatest grifter sagas, tracing our obsession back to the 19th century and bringing it forward to Anna Delvey and George Santos. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

We're on the ferry, leaving New Jersey and pulling up to Brookfield Place and we're

0:11.1

going to go into one-world trade center where we're headquarters of CondiNast and Vanity

0:15.0

Fair.

0:16.0

Just a pleasant commute, you're out on the water, you can see the Verizano Bridge, you

0:22.1

can see the New York skyline coming and we're looking at the financial district, so

0:26.4

you know, immediately you're reminded of, I guess, Bernie made off and it's also reminded

0:31.1

of Donald Trump, maybe the ultimate grifter, a lot of people would say, but I think that

0:36.6

in general, you know, New York City is a place with so much money and power and people

0:42.9

who crave access to that, we're all there want to be a part of it, who aren't and could

0:47.6

lead them into all sorts of cons as we've seen with some of the characters we'll talk about

0:52.6

today.

0:53.6

You're listening to Inside the Hive, where Vanity Fair writers tackle the week's news and

1:04.1

politics, media and entertainment.

1:07.0

I'm Maggie Cogland, senior Vanity's editor and I'm in the studio today with my colleague

1:11.3

Joe Pompeo.

1:12.6

How should I introduce you, Joe?

1:14.7

That's easy, I'm Vanity Fair's senior media correspondent.

1:18.8

George Santos is the latest in a long line of public rifters for the social media era,

1:24.0

people who get viral attention and fame for lying, which can then be turned into an eight

1:28.3

part streaming series or more.

1:31.2

Today we're going to present a cultural history of how the pipeline from small grift to streaming

1:35.4

service became a thing and how these stories work in the business of news and Hollywood.

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