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The Waves: Gender, Relationships, Feminism

America’s Dangerous Obsession with Trans Women

The Waves: Gender, Relationships, Feminism

Slate Podcasts

News Commentary, Society & Culture, News, Sexuality, Health & Fitness

4.2903 Ratings

🗓️ 24 August 2023

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

On this week’s episode of The Waves, why can’t celebrities and sports organizations leave trans people alone? On the heels of the International Chess Federation excluding trans women from competing, and some terrible statements from singer Ne-Yo (remember Ne-Yo?) Waves host Scaachi Koul wants to know why everyone is so obsessed with trans people. She talks with cartoonist and author of the graphic novel, Boys Weekend, Mattie Lubchansky about why celebrities can’t help but get involved, why trans women continue to take the brunt of these types of attacks, and what hope there is for the future of trans rights.


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Podcast production by Cheyna Roth with editorial oversight by Scaachi Koul, Daisy Rosario and Alicia Montgomery. Additional help from Victoria Whitley-Berry.


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0:00.0

Today's episode talks a lot about anti-trans legislation, anti-trans discrimination, and generally people being a nuisance about trans people living their lives.

0:08.0

Listen with care. Welcome to the waves, Slate's podcast about the terror of gender, feminism, and today

0:20.3

letting trans kids live a life of peace without having to think about Neo's hats.

0:26.3

Every week we talk about what fresh hell is being unleashed on the girls and the gays,

0:30.3

the days and Dems, and anyone else similarly committed to a society free of cis male dominance.

0:36.2

I'm your host, Saatchi Cole, and I just moved in down the block.

0:39.5

You're cute. My parents are going away for the weekend and I'm throwing a party. Do you want to come?

0:45.8

Today we have to talk about chess and I'm as surprised as you are. I think we have maybe

0:51.5

over-indexed on caring about chess. We got tricked by Netflix's The Queen's

0:56.1

Gambit and maybe that wonder can Bobby Fisher? And possibly several young men I dated between

1:02.3

2007 and 2009 who were determined to get me to

1:06.3

believe that chess is cool. It is not. That is the first thing we have to

1:11.1

establish here. Okay, so here's News Nation on why we're

1:14.8

talking about chess. The world's top chess federation saying it's temporarily

1:19.2

banning transgender women from female competitions while it conducts a review that could take up to two years.

1:27.0

Look I am as perplexed as you are yet again the arguments around trans athletes and sports is already a pretty flimsy one.

1:35.0

Anti-trans loud mouths seem to think that being raised as another gender might give

1:39.2

trans athletes a leg up. And obviously this is more of an argument about trans women competing.

1:47.0

Sex-based segregation is how competitive sport has recognized the performance advantages that male athletes have over females in many disciplines.

1:56.0

It's going to be a false gold medal, a bold title.

2:00.0

But what if the pursuit of fairness and safety comes at the cost of inclusion?

2:04.3

I think it's just so sad, the whole toxic debate.

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