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Plain English with Derek Thompson

"America Isn’t Ready for What AI Will Do to Jobs"

Plain English with Derek Thompson

The Ringer

News Commentary, News

4.72.1K Ratings

🗓️ 13 February 2026

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

In his epic cover story for The Atlantic this month, staff writer Josh Tyrangiel spoke to dozens of economists, workers, tech CEOs, and AI experts about the danger that artificial intelligence might pose to the labor force. Is AI developing the capacity to automate and even replace millions of white-collar jobs, as many technologists and some economists predict? Or is this a normal technology that, like previous generations of technology, will have a much slower effect on the workforce? We cover several scenarios before asking: Why does it seem like nobody in politics is paying close enough attention to this story? Links: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/2026/03/ai-economy-labor-market-transformation/685731/ Subscribe to our YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@PlainEnglishwithDerekThompson If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spotify.com. Host: Derek Thompson Guest: Josh Tyrangiel Producer: Devon Baroldi Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

I've covered many subjects on this show.

0:08.2

Inflation, GLP-1s, politics, loneliness, aliens.

0:13.0

But the biggest divide in my audience and the biggest divide among the people I read and listen to and trust

0:18.7

is on the subject of artificial intelligence.

0:21.9

One way to characterize this divide, and maybe it's a simplistic way to characterize it,

0:26.3

is to say that on one side of this debate, you've got slobbering sycophants of the technology

0:31.0

who say everything is about to change, the lid is off on history, AI is years or months away

0:37.0

from automating every single human task,

0:39.8

about to transform every nook and cranny of human experience.

0:43.0

And on the other side, you've got hardened skeptics who think this is all complete nonsense

0:46.8

because the underlying technology is little more than a parlor trick

0:50.5

that Silicon Valley billionaires want to shove down your throats.

0:54.7

The news and discourse space, as I see it, is divided between these outrageous extremes.

1:00.5

This technology is a joke versus this technology is 12 months away from changing everything.

1:06.9

I think this is a false choice. And today, I want to suggest a better, more sophisticated way for this conversation to proceed.

1:16.0

First, there are some cultural differences, I think there are at play here.

1:19.9

When I'm in San Francisco, visiting with people who are building this technology,

1:23.4

I spend time with folks who've chosen to devote their work life to this invention,

1:27.9

even when they themselves are not entirely sure what they're summoning into existence.

1:32.2

When I'm in D.C. or New York City, visiting with people on the receiving end of the Bay Area's

1:37.7

exports, I'm spending time with folks who regard the last 20 years of Silicon Valley products

1:42.6

as being somewhat regretful additions to

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