It's the Gray Zone coming to you from the People's Forum in New York City.

I'm Aaron Mate, here with another Mate. His name is Gabor. He is a physician, an expert on childhood trauma,

mental health, chronic illness, and the author of several best-selling books. He's also my father.

And I wanted to bring him in today to discuss

Russia Gate, which is now in a new chapter. And many people are grappling with the fact that

Robert Mueller had just returned a verdict on the issue of a Trump-Russia conspiracy, which

so many people were led to believe in, and Mueller has

rejected it. And so I wanted to talk to Gabor because he writes a lot about psychology and

mental health, because I don't think we can understand what we just went through in Russia

gate without understanding the psychological angle. So that's why he is here. Very happy to have you, Dad, on the Gray Zone.

Nice to be here with you, Aaron.

So we've just been through this two-year ordeal with Russia Gate.

It's in a new phase now with Robert Mueller rejecting the outcome that so many were expecting,

that there would be a Trump-Russia conspiracy.

Your sense of how this whole thing is gone.

What's interesting is that in the aftermath of the Mueller

thunderbolt of no proof of collusion, there are articles about how people are disappointed about this finding.

Now, disappointment means that you were expecting something, you wanted something to happen, and it didn't happen.

So that means that some people wanted Mueller to find evidence of collusion, which means

that emotionally they were invested in it.

It wasn't just that they wanted to know the truth, they actually wanted the truth to look

a certain way.

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