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You're listening to America first with Sebastian Gorker former strategist of President Donald J Trump.

Did we have something we're going to play now? No, I think we have a guest instead. Former White House press secretary, a friend to the show.

Arif Lysha follow him right now on Twitter one of my favorite Twitter accounts. Arif, are you there?

Hello, I am here and sound in a very good mood today. I'm always in a good mood, especially if baseball starts up. I'll always be in a good mood.

Can I can I ask you a naive question? Hit me. All right, I'm going to call you an old war horse in a good way. And I need to know is what we are witnessing in America given your experience.

A big on the front line of politics in the White House on the conservative movement is what we're seeing today just path of the course or is there something qualitatively different? I need Arif Lysha's sober reflection on the state of play.

Goodness is not part for the course. This is a terrible tearing of our social fabric. This goes beyond the normal arguments about should the top tax rate be 39.6%. Something rotten is happening in America and the left will tell you that it's Donald Trump.

Either way you look at it, our nation is going through a convulsion. We should not be going through.

Okay, so let me again do something naive. What has the fact that we had 102 people shot in Chicago at the weekend, four fatalities including a three month old girl? What are you flying shit? What on earth has that got to do with Donald Trump?

Yeah, exactly. Well, that's why it's being ignored, isn't it? Because they can't blame it on Donald Trump. If they if they could pin it on Donald Trump, it would be the front page of the news.

I'd be all the liberals want to talk about. But that's what's happened since election day 2016. The fundamental flaw in my opinion, Sebastian is one side still is not accepted the results of an election. Yes.

And instead what they do is as Joe Biden said, they're not good. These aren't good people. And he says 45 million Americans are not good people. They refused to accept that there's a substantial part of America that has an outsider point of view and wants Donald Trump to be successful. That's what's led to this.

And then what happens that there's only two scenarios in 133 days. Let's look at one of the scenarios. If if my old boss president Trump gets reelected, is any of this ameliorated? Is any of this solved our reflection?

Oh, no. It's not getting solved one way or another. Okay, we're going to have to go through this phase. I'm afraid.

You know, the problem will be if Joe Biden wins, Sebastian, the right is going to have a fit, but everything that Biden does. And we'll see how Biden governs.

But Trump is reelected. Everything that the left has been saying, they'll continue to say it. There'll be no lessons learned.

But if let me let's go to this second scenario. If Joe Biden wins, God willing, he doesn't. I just don't see our reaction on the right as conservatives. I don't think we're going to burn churches down or pull down statues.

Where's the imbalance here? What's our what is your response to statues of Teddy Roosevelt being removed of Churchill being dorked with the words racist and fascist? Why were these not a fence?

Yes, well, yes, why were these not a grant of all people? Why were these not offensive for the eight years of the last administration?

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