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You're listening to America first with Sebastian Gorker former strategist of President Donald J Trump.

He's one of the most astute and erudite commentators and writers on all matters strategic and political in America today and we are always so so very grateful to be able to connect with Professor Victor Davis Hanson senior fellow at the Hoover institution at Stanford.

You can see his writings and numerous platforms including my favorite American greatness and greatness dot com the author of the case for Trump welcome back to America first Professor Hanson.

Thank you for having me.

So your unique purge as somebody who understands strategy military history leads me to ask the most burning question for me personally somebody who's worked in the defense academic sphere for many many years.

Now we've seen in modern times an analogous situation to that which is occurring now when there's looting there's churches being fire bombed in America and the chairman of the joint chiefs general mille the most senior naval officer admiral guild days,

is genuinely reflecting to black lives matter talking points and we have people like a matters and Kelly attacking the city commander in chief is this is something that's just normal Professor Hanson.

No, we have to remember this code of military conduct uniform code it was really a quite recent phenomenon the last 70 years it was.

Graphed 1950 and approved by Truman signed in law 51 it was directly you know there were generals like Douglas McCartor who said things about the commander in chief and almost suggested that they wouldn't obey an order sometimes courtesy may and people said you know what we've got to stop this and we came from the left and they were the people who were worried so.

That was that's a windy explanation that we have seen this before but there was an anecdote and of course, Carter was relieved that I think we got to a point now that's that if don't come decided that see at the center of Seattle was out of control and an autonomous republic.

And he wanted to protect citizens with them that zone in a way that the mayor or the state of Washington would not and he ordered federal troops i'm not sure that that order would be obeyed today's climate and if it were obeyed i'm not sure the governor of the mayor will allow them to come in.

That's a frightening thought what is your analysis is that end state that we're having this pandering to extremist forces from the uniform services in the recently retired is that a function of how effective the the propaganda or the narrative of a radicalized left has become or is it more a result of the lack of moral fortitude.

Amongst the general flag officers who who bears the brunt of of responsibility.

Well I think it's partly the culture of Washington because most of the people who are weighing in are creatures of past administrations are boards or corporate boards are they're working for defense contractors are they're in the media what I'm getting out is that we saw with.

There were a war or generals like zenny and others became icons of the left and they I think a lot of retired generals sense that they come to sense that if you really want to be a corporate person or be a consultant or being a lobbyist or be acclaimed by Washington institutions or beyond television or radio or be influential or be relevant or be an investment investment company you really have to have a particular world view.

And the past it was sort of blurred between sort of clintonism and bushism but after the arrival of Trump.

It was too bridge it was a bridge too far people made the conscience and decisions if I were to support from I would abandon all my affinities that I've been nurtured on and a lot of them couldn't do it.

I know that's a cynical view of what's happening but in lieu of a substantial argument in their favor I can't find any I can't find that I'm saying here are the exact constitutional violations that don't come committed and here were instances that Rockle bomb I never did commit anything like that.

The opposite is we couldn't cite one specific offense were trumped by late the Constitution and that article I wrote I listed six that were at the time considered anti constitutional from you know sticking me.

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