I'm Christopher Leiden, and this is open source, grappling with the prize historian Greg

Grandin's take on the making of the modern world.

There's a 600-page version in hard covers here, but also a two-word version in your title, Greg.

The title being America, America!

Code for your main point that the story of global USA today has

Latin America woven all through it. Brutal conquest, some discovered ideals and values through

five centuries, and maybe an exceptional all-American hybrid, after all, into today.

In the roots, of course, were two colonial empires,

Spanish and British, rivals and partners,

reenacting over the decades their past, far into the future.

I'm wondering, Greg Grandin, your theme is an ambiguity in this relationship,

and I wonder if President Trump isn't toying with that whole theme when he calls the Gulf of Mexico,

the Gulf of America. I don't know if there's much ambiguity or irony in Trump. He does think

the word America belongs to the United States.

And of course, America is the whole Western Hemisphere.

But for the most part, the Americas are all the Americas.

And pretty much from the inception of the United States, I mean, the official name of the

United States is the United States of America.

It was that in the Articles of Confederation and it was that in the Constitution.

But even the Articles of Confederation used the word of America to talk about just the country.

But at the same time, founders of the United States used the word America to talk about all of the Americas.

Now, there was something aspirational here in the sense that there was an expectation that all of the Americas. Now, there was something aspirational here in the sense

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