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This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

America against the World Part 3 – Who will fill the Power Vacuum?

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.91.6K Ratings

🗓️ 23 April 2026

⏱️ 31 minutes

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A four-part series from This Is Not A Drill… Get the complete series now when you support us on Patreon. How will we cope with the end of the Pax Americana – and what comes next?  This time: As Trump flips the table and walks away from America’s old international role, China want to take advantage. The People’s Republic is squaring up to the US on multiple fronts – economic, technological, cultural and potentially militarily. Sir Robin Niblett, author of The New Cold War, talks to Gavin Esler about whether China is as strong as it claims to be, the truth about the Sino-Russian relationship, and why this Cold War won’t be the same as the last one. And Ulrike Franke, German political analyst and fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations, looks at what’s left of the old international order.   • The final episode of America against the World is out on Monday 27 April. Get it right now when you support us on Patreon. Written and presented by Gavin Esler. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Executive Producer Martin Bojtos. Managing Editor Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. This Is Not A Drill is a Podmasters production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to episode three of America Against the World, a special four-part mini-series from This Is Not a Drill.

0:07.6

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hello and welcome to the third episode of america against the world and in today edition, we want to consider how far this one president can truly reposition

0:58.2

the United States for years to come in what may seem like a new world disorder, a world

1:04.2

in which all of us are a little less secure.

1:07.3

And what does all of this mean for the most coherent and ambitious rising power to rival U.S. interests, the People's Republic of China?

1:15.3

I'm Gavin Esler, as America is now,

1:45.3

are always looking over their shoulder at future rivals. You don't have to be a geostrategic genius

1:51.4

to note that the rising power, an American rival for the 21st century, is undoubtedly the People's

1:57.6

Republic of China. I spoke with Sir Robin Nibblett. He's a British foreign policy

2:02.2

specialist and distinguished fellow at Chatham House and author of The New Cold War,

2:07.1

how the contest between the US and China will shape our century. I asked him to explain the title.

2:13.1

Well, what I saw in that title was trying to make sure the world understands that the competition

2:17.7

between the US and China is multi-dimensional across all dimensions of power, economic, technological,

2:25.3

military, even institutional, definitely, maybe even ideological, and that it's going to last a very

2:31.9

long time.

2:32.9

I don't know how long, but I'm thinking in decades

2:35.6

as the last Cold War did as well. So the reason for that title is to really explain to people

2:41.7

that we're going to be living with this contest for a long time. And if you're not US and China,

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