Hey, everybody, it's Kai. Thanks for downloading this episode of the Corner Office podcast. This

week, we've got Sarah Barnett. She's the president of AMC networks, also AMC Studios. It's the company

behind Breaking Bad, Mad Men, The Walking Dead, more recently Killing Eve as well, some of the most

successful television shows in the past 10 years.

She's been in the job for a little more than one year, so we sat down the other day to talk about

what it's like to run a legacy television network in the era of streaming and her plan to tackle

the competition and their very, very big checkbooks. So here it is, my conversation with Sarah Barnett.

We're expecting you. What do you ever see? Ready to go to work?

Sarah Barnett, thanks for coming to the studio. Pleasure. I'm going to start with a very

subjective question. Okay. How do you know when something's going to be good on TV?

I mean, I guess I believe that everything in the end is subjective.

I think we all back into the rationalizations, but I think everything is really,

our gut knows better than any other part of us, I think, what's good, what's right.

You know, I don't think you can make anything through being too only analytical.

I think that you, to quote Cheryl Sandberg, which I guess doesn't happen so much these things.

You have to roll around in the data and then you almost have to forget about it.

And I think that that's what I believe about the creative work that we do.

There's obviously all of the business side to it,

and you need to be as focused as analytical,

to pull from as many inputs,

to have as many insights as you possibly can.

But then I think you sort of have to forget about all of that,

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