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Every year, hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world flock to Las Vegas for the Consumer Electronics Show.

And they spend a week trying to sell each other on the weirdest gadgets you've ever seen in your entire life.

This week on the Vergecast, we're talking all about everything happening at CES, from the TVs to the AI gadgets, to the humanoid robots that everybody is hoping might

someday do your laundry and wash your dishes. All that and much more on the Vergecast wherever you

get podcasts. Welcome to Recode Media with Peter Kafka. That is me. And in a minute, you're going

to hear me talking to Josh Sapan. He is the CEO of AMC Networks about his efforts to turn in that cable TV company. It's the guys who brought you Madman and Breaking Bad on the Walking Dead into a streaming video company like everybody else. And how he's trying to do that while TV ratings are just collapsing. I mean, it's quite shocking when you talk to him about where the Walking Dead used to be and where it is now, even though it's still the number one hit on TV.

And also trying to do that while everyone else, as you all know, is trying to get into streaming

and then have a lot more resources than AMC has. It is a good conversation. Josh is always good

to listen to. Before we do that, really quickly, wanted to talk about Spotify for a couple

reasons. First one, some newsy stuff coming. There's a very good chance Spotify is going to get a

ruling from the European Union in its fight against Apple over an antitrust complaint.

I think the thinking is that Spotify feels that they're going to get a good ruling.

And depending on how that plays out, it could be a big deal for services like Spotify, who complain that Apple treats them unfairly in its app store.

It's part of a wave of antitrust stuff coming towards Apple.

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