The following podcast is a dear media production.

She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinary.

Fantastic.

And he's a serial entrepreneur.

A very smart cookie.

And now Lauren Evertz and Michael Bostick are bringing you along for the ride.

Get ready for some major realness.

Welcome to the skinny confidential, him and her. People didn't take digital seriously at all.

They didn't take social seriously.

Retailers weren't selling online yet and so the fashion space was definitely not using any sort of like marketing

technology at all and I finally got a meeting I'm sure it was some sort of

pity something from somebody and sat in the room with her and she was like look

I work with celebrities and models, and if I started cutting checks to people who take pictures of themselves in mirrors and alleys and in front of garage doors, I would lose my job. I mean, that was conversation but I did spend probably too much time even trying to create

partnerships with legacy industry to try and prove out the value of creators or to like

legitimize creators and then I finally gave up on it because like well they don't want us to succeed

they don't understand we're maybe taking jobs where we're like actually turning this

whole industry like upside down or reinventing retail like it's just you know was this almost like kind of silent thing that happened and

then it just took over.

This episode is a Jen. Today we're sitting down with blogger turned tech entrepreneur. I feel

like that doesn't even do her justice. She's a boss. She is a mother of four and she has really become someone in the web space that people look up to.

And that is Amber Vence Box.

Amber is the founder of affiliate marketing system

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