It is unethical to continue to support Amazon.

It just is.

Hello. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us, a podcast that can't wait for the day Jeff Bezos is knocked off his throne.

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and today I'm joined by Brian Merchant.

Brian is the author of The One Device, the secret history of the iPhone, and is also writing a new book called Blood in the Machine. He is a senior editor at 1-0 and the founder

of Terraform at Vice. Today we talk about Amazon, its response to the pandemic, and all

of the terrible things that it does. One piece of that is also how Amazon

and the other major tech companies are increasingly working with oil and gas giants to help

them better extract oil through the use of cloud and artificial intelligence. If you like our

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Thanks so much and enjoy the interview.

Brian Merchant, welcome to Tech Won't Save Us.

Thank you for having me, Paris.

It's great to speak with you. You've been writing a bunch on Amazon and the tech companies

for years, but particularly in this moment and what they're up to. You wrote a piece, I guess,

about a month or so ago, or even a bit more than that now, time.

You know, I just don't know time anymore.

Meaningless.

That's right.

Yeah.

So you wrote this piece about how this pandemic was going to kind of accelerate the

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