The story of what really happened to her is horrific and deserves to be told and absolutely matters.

And the story of what happened to me was horrific and deserves to be told and absolutely matters.

And I absolutely deny any idea that there is some zero-sum relationship between the two.

I've had people reach out to me and say that my baby should be murdered

so that I know what it feels like to be Meredith's family.

But I do not feel like I or my daughter need to apologize for existing.

One thing that I do wonder is if it's because I'm a woman and because as a

woman, I'm expected to disappear. Hello and welcome to ways to change the world. I'm Christian

Yuri Murthy and this is the podcast where we talk to extraordinary people about the big ideas and their lives and the events that have helped shape them.

My guest today is Amanda Knox, who became internationally famous after the murder in 2007 of the British student Meredith Kircher in Perugia, Italy,

because Amanda was accused and convicted of

Meredith's murder and then ultimately acquitted in 2015 after years of legal twists and turns.

She has since written and spoken extensively about her experience and has advocated for others

who may have been falsely imprisoned. Her latest documentary, Mouth of the Wolf, sees her return to Perugia, where she spent

four years in prison and confront the prosecutor who pursued her relentlessly to try to seek

closure.

She's also a podcaster now, and her latest series is about the case of Lucy Lettby, the nurse convicted of murdering babies in her care.

And we'll get to all of that in due course.

But we'd like to begin this podcast with a big question, which is if you could change the world in any way, how would you change it?

I think I would change it so that we celebrated people when they admitted that they were

wrong.

Explain why?

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