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And I should say the root of economy is the same as the root of ecology.

And it really just means our home.

And so it's about the management or care of our home.

You're listening to Green Dreamer, and I'm your host, Kamehashane.

Today we welcome Amanda Janu, an economic policy expert who works with Well-Bean economy alliance as their economics and policy lead. Amanda has over a decade of

experience working with governments and international development institutions around the world.

Her work aims to build just and sustainable economies through goal-oriented and participatory

policy design processes.

So the term heterodox encapsulates pretty much anything that's not like neoclassical economics.

And so that can be ecological economists, feminist economics, institutional economics. There's many, many others.

But I was really starting to study economics right before

the financial crisis. And then I think there were already a lot of the writing on the wall that

this assumption that the economy is some abstract thing out there that is governed by its own

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