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Deep Questions with Cal Newport

Am I Optimizing Too Much? | Monday Advice

Deep Questions with Cal Newport

Cal Newport

Self-improvement, Technology, Education

4.81.5K Ratings

🗓️ 20 July 2026

⏱️ 79 minutes

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Cal Newport talks with Brad Stulberg to explain the optimization paradox in Episode 414 of the Deep Questions podcast. Below are the questions covered in today's episode (with their timestamps). Get your questions answered by Cal! Here’s the link: https://bit.ly/3U3sTvo Video from today’s episode:  youtube.com/calnewportmedia (0:00) The Optimization Paradox (2:12) Interview with Brad Stulberg (35:12) Health optimization (1:09:16) Tail end development   Links: Buy Cal’s latest book, “Slow Productivity” at www.calnewport.com/slow  Get a signed copy of Cal’s “Slow Productivity” at https://peoplesbooktakoma.com/event/cal-newport/  Cal’s monthly book directory: bramses.notion.site/059db2641def4a88988b4d2cee4657ba? Thanks to our Sponsors:  https://wealthfront.com/deep https://calderalab.com/deep https://cozyearth.com (Use code “DEEP”) Cal Newport is not a Wealthfront client. Wealthfront’s high-yield cash account: ⁠https://www.wealthfront.com/deep⁠. This experience may not be representative of other Wealthfront clients, and there is no guarantee of future performance or success. Experiences will vary. Cal Newport receives cash compensation from Wealthfront Brokerage for paid endorsement in his podcast, creating a conflict of interest. The Cash Account, which is not a deposit account, is offered by Wealthfront Brokerage LLC, member FINRA/SIPC.  Wealthfront Brokerage is not a bank. The base APY is 3.30% on cash deposits as of January 30, 2026, is representative, subject to change, and requires no minimum. If eligible for the overall boosted rate of 4.05% offered in connection with this promo, your boosted rate is also subject to change if the base rate decreases during the 3 month promo period. Additional terms and conditions apply, which can be found on ⁠wealthfront.com/deep⁠.  Funds in the Cash Account are swept to program banks, where it earns the variable APY. Investment advisory services are provided by Wealthfront Advisers LLC, an SEC-registered investment adviser. Securities investments: not bank deposits, bank-guaranteed or FDIC-insured, and may lose value. Thanks to Jesse Miller for production and mastering, Jay Kerstens for the intro music, and Nate Mechler for research and newsletter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

A couple weeks ago, the author Brad Stolberg published an essay on his substack that made the following bold claim.

0:08.8

Optimization culture is destroying a generation.

0:14.2

Now, he argues in this essay that digital technology has now made it possible to measure at a very fine granularity,

0:27.1

all sorts of metrics in all different parts of our life, from our job to our health, to our relationships, to our social life.

0:34.7

And that it has created a culture where we're constantly trying to improve and optimize all of these other aspects of our daily existence.

0:38.7

And he argues, instead of this making us better performers or happier,

0:45.3

it's instead making us miserable. Well, this raised a lot of questions in my mind, such as, why are we doing this? Why is it causing so much harm? And most importantly, what's the way out?

0:52.7

What is the right relationship with metrics and performance that you can

0:56.7

actually make your life better without getting stuck in this optimization trap?

1:02.2

Well, it's Monday, which means it's time for an advice episode of this podcast, which is the

1:07.5

perfect opportunity to go seek some answers. So here's what I did is I called up

1:13.3

Brad and we got into it. We get into his article and we get into all those questions that I just

1:18.3

discussed. We have a fantastic conversation. We cover a lot of ground and then we end up actually

1:22.9

you'll notice if you listen to this conversation, we end up at a new model for optimization, practical, realistic

1:29.6

optimization.

1:30.3

I call it macro optimization in the interview that I think is really interesting and describes a lot of

1:35.6

what I've done in my own life, and I've never put words to it before.

1:37.9

So stick through to the end of the interview, because I think we end up in a really practical,

1:42.9

positive space.

1:44.0

All right. So I think you're going to like this one.

1:45.7

If you're ambitious, but you've worried that you've become too optimized

1:49.7

and as counterproductive in this episode, it's one you have to listen to.

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